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  Theists, why does God allow suffering..

  by The Quiet One in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  ..specifically, the suffering of animals.

  you can talk about free will/sin/people choosing to not listen to god etc to explain human suffering being allowed.. but how can you love a god that allows animals, that haven't sinned or chosen to not have anything to do with god, to have their short lives ended in often long, drawn out, painful ways.

  i could list stories i've read that would probably make you feel ill, but i'm not looking to shock anyone or start an emotional debate.

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  defender of truth

  One final point.
  
  Seraphim said:
  "God can either move you out of the way of the lightning, change where the lightning will strike, or warn you not to go out in the first place. Sometimes people get premonitions of danger and so don’t get on the plane that will later crash for example. With this method free will is not affected, as the person still has a choice to ignore the warning or not. "
  
  
  Seraphim also said:
  "I do admit that God can intervene in disasters without affecting free will and he does in my view, just not all disasters all of the time, as that would create issue for free will."
  
  Putting these statements together, you admit that God COULD warn people about a future natural disaster and let them decide whether to avoid it, without affecting free will.
  You then say he DOES NOT do that all of the time because of the issue of free will.
  Therefore if (theoretically speaking) mankind were to develop a flawless and 100% reliable natural disaster predicting device, that could warn people of any and all deadly earthquakes/tornadoes/etc in time for people to avoid or flee from them, would you say that it should not be used all of the time, as it would be harmful to free will?
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  Theists, why does God allow suffering..

  by The Quiet One in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  ..specifically, the suffering of animals.

  you can talk about free will/sin/people choosing to not listen to god etc to explain human suffering being allowed.. but how can you love a god that allows animals, that haven't sinned or chosen to not have anything to do with god, to have their short lives ended in often long, drawn out, painful ways.

  i could list stories i've read that would probably make you feel ill, but i'm not looking to shock anyone or start an emotional debate.

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  defender of truth

  Oh, and Cofty, is this kind of argument in your 108 page thread somewhere, or is it a new one to you?
  Because I am lost..
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  Is there a Creator who gives a s*** about you?

  by DATA-DOG in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  ....why your child died, or you have cancer, or lost friends to a mudslide, tsunami, car accident, flood, tornado, hurricane or senseless act of violence.

  why your child was molested, or you were molested, or you were slandered by an elder, or boe, or the gb.

  why children die of starvation everyday, why faithful xians die every day, some mauled by dogs in field circus.

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  defender of truth

  Is there a Creator who cares?..
  Evidently not.
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  How We Come Across On The Board

  by minimus in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  most people here have never met you.

  we converse, discuss, argue, laugh, agree, question, share our lives..... quite often, you kind of get to know what a person is like.

  some people, we tend to gravitate to and others, we shy away from.. how do you think you come across to other people?

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  defender of truth

  Who cares? We're all just another brick in the wall.
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  This new JW video is so stupid that it has to be a troll

  by Pacopoolio in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  recently, my mother, who had stopped talking to me because i was 'apostate,' started speaking to me again.. (note that i successfully faded as opposed to ever being disfellowshipped due to dodging every elder question with "i'm not sure, i'm still searching and trying to find the answers.").

  the reason why?

  at the international convention this year, they receieved a new video called something or other.

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  defender of truth

  "[–] okimawake 3 points17 days ago
  
  I love how witnesses idea of simplifying their lives involves mooching off of wealthy brothers who are simultaneously in trouble for being too materialistic.
  "You're spend too much time at work, by the way can I live for free in the basement apartment of your huge house while at the same time being condescending".
  How many pioneers are supported by working for the witness in the hall who has his own business."
  
  http://www.reddit.com/r/exjw/comments/279j8y/vomitfest_convention_film_these_words_must_be_on/
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  Theists, why does God allow suffering..

  by The Quiet One in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  ..specifically, the suffering of animals.

  you can talk about free will/sin/people choosing to not listen to god etc to explain human suffering being allowed.. but how can you love a god that allows animals, that haven't sinned or chosen to not have anything to do with god, to have their short lives ended in often long, drawn out, painful ways.

  i could list stories i've read that would probably make you feel ill, but i'm not looking to shock anyone or start an emotional debate.

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  defender of truth

  Seraphim23posted~ 19 hours ago(6/24/2014)
  Post813of828Joined4/25/2013
  "Yet if it wasn’t for such processes there would be no sharks to fill their niche in the highly competitive eco system, as the sharks would have died out because of unfit sharks being picked off to extinction. So it also keeps suffering to a minimum when one thinks about it. Certain chemicals that block pain when an organism is under attack more than likely also minimise suffering in the shark. What an amazing thing nature is!"
  
  cofty posted~ 19 hours ago(6/24/2014)
  Post12647of12667
  Joined12/19/2009
  "So the only way your god could think of to produce fit sharks was to have them fight to the death in the womb."
  
  .. Before the thread was diverted again by off-topic comments, an excellent point was made here that is worth repeating. Why would God not be able to design sharks in a way that they could come out of the womb strong enough to protect themselves, without having to kill hundreds of their siblings? Seraphims chaos theory mumbo jumbo seems to indicate that God has left us all to suffer in endless ways because He can't think of a better way to run things.
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  Theists, why does God allow suffering..

  by The Quiet One in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  ..specifically, the suffering of animals.

  you can talk about free will/sin/people choosing to not listen to god etc to explain human suffering being allowed.. but how can you love a god that allows animals, that haven't sinned or chosen to not have anything to do with god, to have their short lives ended in often long, drawn out, painful ways.

  i could list stories i've read that would probably make you feel ill, but i'm not looking to shock anyone or start an emotional debate.

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  defender of truth

  (Excuse me, but what the hell is happening to this thread??
  Anyway..)
  
  "If there no activity on earth in the interplay between order and chaos, there would be nothing to choose because there would be nothing."
  
  No natural disasters does not equal zero activity. You still haven't explained why God had to let people die when the Tsunami happened in order for life to exist.
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  Theists, why does God allow suffering..

  by The Quiet One in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  ..specifically, the suffering of animals.

  you can talk about free will/sin/people choosing to not listen to god etc to explain human suffering being allowed.. but how can you love a god that allows animals, that haven't sinned or chosen to not have anything to do with god, to have their short lives ended in often long, drawn out, painful ways.

  i could list stories i've read that would probably make you feel ill, but i'm not looking to shock anyone or start an emotional debate.

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  defender of truth

  Seraphim: Which part of my summary is incorrect then, as simply as possible? Also, you said:"the interplay between order and chaos defines all activity on earth in terms of energy.".. How does this relate to free will?
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  Theists, why does God allow suffering..

  by The Quiet One in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  ..specifically, the suffering of animals.

  you can talk about free will/sin/people choosing to not listen to god etc to explain human suffering being allowed.. but how can you love a god that allows animals, that haven't sinned or chosen to not have anything to do with god, to have their short lives ended in often long, drawn out, painful ways.

  i could list stories i've read that would probably make you feel ill, but i'm not looking to shock anyone or start an emotional debate.

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  defender of truth

  "That’s not quite the way I would put it but almost yes, kind of."
  
  Yes or no? Thanks.
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  Public Speaker Cries During His Talk

  by James Jackson in

  1. watchtower
  2. scandals

  his talk was about reaching out for the real life.. he is in his mid seventies, then begins to rant on about staying loyal to the organization because many of us have lost loved ones in death and if we want to see them again we must remain in the organization.

  he says he wants to see his father again, then the tears begin to flow right there on the stage.... then an elderly sister during the watchtower study admits to regetting leaving her daughter behind to seek a better life in the u.s, and she is crying.... these 2 meetings was just plain weird..

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  defender of truth

  Wing Commander..
  
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